Clayton Burkholder

0:00that Clayton Burkholder I was born in Hagerstown Maryland twelve-point

0:04December 23rd 1928

0:09Hagerstown

0:19 I went to

0:23home as the schools in town here I went to grade school when our streets call

0:28then make transfers for eighth and ninth grade

0:32dinner her seventh and eighth grade 2 Washington Street School

0:35many transferred is to within way school for

0:39the ninth grade and then the Hagerstown high school for the eleventh twelfth

0:4310th 11th and 12th grade then after I graduated in 1948

0:49went to Hagerstown junior college

0:54 I graduate in 1948 from Hagerstown high school

0:59and I went to Hagerstown junior college

1:03a year and a half until it joined the Air Force what is

1:07studied drafting

1:10drafting yes what is that I wanna be a

1:15engineering draftsmen when

1:19when an Air Force they I’m that took me three months to get assigned to my job

1:23as a

1:24a senior draftsman and that’s what I did the whole time I was in the Air Force

1:30will grandchildren his I didn’t graduate from Junior College

1:34I went then the service before graduated

1:41I was gonna be drafted so when I hadn’t joined

1:45so for your drafted you enlisted

1:48yes my the the person that I worked for over

1:53the a local grocery store rate in town here

1:57and he were he was on a draft board

2:01and he told me one on Thursday that I was gonna be drafted Monday morning so I

2:06joined the Air Force on Friday morning

2:08I was on my way to Texas

2:211950 there was January

2:24you Japanese January 19

2:28that see if wait there 50

2:31one here

2:38 50 1950 I had to think about it

2:45night from 50 yes it was people who are

2:50no Korean War

2:53knows this it was started then

2:56started in 1950 you know

3:00January

3:03after June later maybe no I don’t

3:06 1951 I’m sorry was 1951

3:10because I spent 51 and the state’s 52 in Korea and 53 in Texas

3:15 it’s been a long time

3:20rather sixty years ago yeah you resist

3:24really here

3:27you on me considering your age

3:32what were you doing when Korean War broke out

3:36during I worked at the local supermarket in town here

3:40HL males he was you were in the Junior College I was going to school and junior

3:45college and work

3:46after school a in the store

3:52well I knew it was going on and everything

3:56and because that that time I was really

4:01and then the things and and now course I saw on TV

4:05and read about it in the newspaper and everything

4:08and so

4:11when I joined a figure that that would be there

4:14the thing that the winding-up them be associated with that

4:19were you not afraid of loss of life

4:26a I thought about it

4:29but everybody’s gotta go

4:33and their it should be every young young boy out young gentleman I think should

4:38do that for at least a year in a service

4:40whether something going on now or not because

4:44a its good training I got good training in there

4:49and I was able to get into the field that I wanted to get in

4:54and yet more training as as an engineering draftsmen

4:58I got a lot of training and they’re working with the

5:02civil engineers

5:06travel and then when I came out

5:09went to the local arm per child aircraft

5:13and had a job there as a it

5:17that station growing

5:20parts up for

5:24catalogs for rejuvenating an airplane you know anything about Korea

5:30rounder nothing you are the only thing I knew there was

5:34Japan her there was a place located like the Japan

5:38that was it not many over

5:41was actually were through always around

5:44rural that highly-rated you know nothing about career

5:49I didn’t know a thing about Korea I don’t remember me

5:53saying anything about Korea and the history they might have mentioned it

5:58I might have seen them seen it on a map when I look at it

6:01and everything but know and anything else that there is a

6:05gonna become a north and the south korea I did not know that

6:09there anything I knew that there was

6:12some type of conflict going on over there

6:15and now and it had to be taken care of

6:19so on

6:25was your

6:28your parents reaction the you are going to enlist in Air Force

6:31in this your I really get any reaction problem when

6:38on their so they they there and a disturbing trend at that

6:42the if I was going to be drafted and I wonder doing

6:45that’s what I do you there

6:49or whose that the time

6:52a I wasn’t married when I got married a

6:55it was when they were get ray the send me over to

6:59Korea and now where

7:02the January ok now is a

7:06last party this summer and forget the I’m

7:09be as the last part in December because I went to Korea in January

7:14and night their nineteen got 1951

7:18is from December 1951

7:21and then 52 is when I headed for Korea

7:25on a slow boat I was sick as a dog but

7:31I didn’t want

7:35well I thought might be able to stay in the States a little well I went from

7:41I was only in

7:44The service a year and then I was going and now

7:47I thought at least be in there for a year because I did sign up for four

7:50years

7:51I did get out three years ago

7:54when the Korean War was over they come up with an overage in the crew feel that

7:58I was am

8:00and sets a and they sent me to Del Rio Texas on the Mexican border

8:06and I was able to get out I got out but a

8:09if they sent me we were given three choices

8:13when we came back and none other three choices did I get

8:18I want on the east coast and if I’d gotten on the East Coast had probably

8:22stayed in their retired

8:24in the air force because it was I really enjoyed it and they’re

8:28I learned a lot I was good training and their

8:33why would you choose Air Force rather than Army

8:37Alward on a

8:40I really didn’t think I would make a good soldier

8:44be truthful I I don’t think I could shoot anybody the first thing

8:50I know if your threatened with it everything you probably could not know

8:54that

8:55it took a lot of training for the ones that did have to go through it

8:59and i really respect them a

9:02when when i sat in our meeting room and everything I just

9:05a see all these guys around there like the gentleman just left here

9:09what they went through well they were over there

9:13and now it really makes me proud to send in there with them

9:17but them I I thought I get more training

9:23I want to finish school first thing

9:27and the when I went through my basic training in everything I had good scores

9:31at

9:32since I had some college and everything I want to go to

9:35officers training school and they said they were sorry

9:40I’m colored blind I can’t get in so

9:43but I did take some courses while was an I was stationed Mississippi first

9:48and that took sociology and and now psychology well with down there

9:53trying to finish up my at least get a BA degree

9:57so was your wife’s reaction that you are

10:03well the its reason machine like me going but

10:07her she had no choice but that this let me go and her family

10:11she still there went to their but their family so

10:15she was still well taken care of and and

10:18we didn’t have any children them and

10:22but then when I came back from Cree and then we did stay together

10:26and Texas we had an apartment down there

10:30your for you and your or you

10:33it was there was a little difficult

10:37being taken away from the town and everything but we did get back

10:41and fortune getting out a year early was a big help

10:45and there again him settled get back to buy a home in everything settled down

10:51so we’re where did you go to receive basic training for you

10:56we started out that and San Antonio that that time they were so crowded

11:00they had a sentence and the

11:04we stayed there for a week and then they took its own up turn airfield

11:08about 100 miles up have grown up for it which one it was now

11:12but the we finished our basic training up there

11:16then their point where at the their airfield up

11:19I I don’t remember which one that was really

11:23but it was about a hundred miles a North and

11:26Texas that we went to and

11:30What was you’re your specialty unit

11:34you a with this at that time was just basic training

11:39the finish the basic training there we had seven more weeks

11:43and after they finish that then they sent me down to

11:49on Mississippi Biloxi, Mississippi

11:52or that be a permanent base

11:55for me to get into my engineering drawing

11:59and went into engineering a

12:03department there on the base and

12:07I was probably in that for about six months and then they send

12:11sent me up to Amarillo, Texas there was a

12:14their base up there that had just opened up an ever-growing

12:18drawings for buildings and everything like that so

12:21up I’m I was there for about

12:24six or eight months and then they with sent over to Korea

12:29can figure out what they’re going to do with the and engineering draftsmen in

12:33Korea

12:34But you were with your wife the whole time

12:37or on all know ok now and I wasn’t with her until

12:42a I came back from Korea then we settled into

12:46an apartment you were in mississippi you are able to

12:50well known as in mississippi I want to marry yet I didn’t get married too

12:54where’s

12:55headed over to Korea also

13:00you started using military

13:03here are a few okay that’s the only

13:07you want yeah then you married

13:10and ever and December when a

13:14for 50 when I was getting ready to go to Korea in 52

13:35When did you leave for Korea and when did you arrive

13:37Well first they gave me a seven-day leave before I went over

13:41and then I caught the plane

13:44 to go to California

13:48that’s where we were getting out on the bay

13:51boat there down and California

13:55then went up the coastline to Washington

13:58to pickup some more

14:01servicemen and then headed across the Tokyo and like I say I was

14:09I was sick all the way over I mean

14:12sick to had to sit there and held my hand over bucket because I was so

14:17seasick

14:17I was sure ready to get on ground, steady ground

14:25and the Japan for at the airport there

14:29her airfield and then they processed us

14:33and we got a plain over to Suwon

14:37When did you arrive in Suwon

14:43sent someone over and or January 52 it had to be sometime in January

14:49of 52 as I spent the whole year a 52 in there

14:53went home december/january the the end of that year

14:58What was the first thing you remember you had when you arrived in Suwon about the city and the people

15:09well I really didn’t get to see

15:12anything around there all I saw was mountains and mountains and the

15:17rice paddies and different area

15:20farm so a different what I was used to see in over here

15:24and the but to

15:27I at pretty much stayed on a base one-time

15:31three times I was off of there a one time the

15:35we went down there with them um

15:39place where they they had homeless children they took care of

15:44our help that day in an orphanage I was down there one time I have a picture

15:50other than

15:51the folder here the other time

15:54I was up in the when a Lieutenant

15:57 checked out a jeep he drove us up to Seoul

16:01and then one time I was outside the

16:05the the base but I didn’t go in and very far because I’m

16:10on just wasn’t familiar with the area

16:14and I’m and in wanna get out get in trouble

16:18that knowing where to go or what to do so I pretty much stayed on the base all

16:22the time the whole year I was over there

16:24except I was able to go to Japan

16:27once a month would fly me over to

16:31Tokyo pick up supplies art supplies and everything like get that

16:36our office needed other in that time

16:41except for one time they that’s going R&R

16:44we went to Tokyo and now went down

16:48I got them pictures of the there is a resort

16:52South of Tokyo that we were on a train to get down there

16:57and stayed there for a week and came back went back to base

17:00 pretty good from from Seoul to Tokyo all once a month and get art supplies

17:10but one thing it happen I got picture

17:I 5just happened to get a picture of it when I got on the train

17:17and Tokyo and we’re going now the station

17:20the hit two people you will mean

17:26It ran over to people trained in and when you know that when the train stopped the

17:31one person was laying right outside the window where I was able to get a picture of it

17:35and that

17:36that was

17:40to I don’t know why they were on the track or anything like that

17:44of their workers or what

17:46there then the train went on to slowdown after that

17:52Tell me about a typical day over your service in Suwon

17:57well I guess that wasn’t really an exciting day

18:03accept them no get up get get started

18:06we was able to stay in

18:09a huts matter regular metal

18:14buildings they had a place for us to go eat

18:17and everything like that a thats have most in water and ran the whole yeah

18:23then just come in would go to

18:26or to the headquarters and Headquarters climb chart go to the office there

18:30and I had an assistant Wade Stanley

18:35And the two of us would stay in there all day and

18:38do the work that they had is assigned to

18:41and now then go back to the base

18:45 can you give me an example

18:49what you have you what you did like that

18:52Show me the pictures you have any

18:56example what you did

18:59see if I get it out here that’s as this one this one

19:03yeah I was going to see what else is in here’s the

19:08picture health me at the desk

19:13that’s has to be said that this

19:16is the desk that I worked at

19:26I was drafting

19:34that wasn’t the real drafting part that was making the charts

19:40what an illustrator technician would do

19:45wish I had brought a bigger picture of it

19:48have the three squadrons we had this

19:51the nineteen the 25th and 39th

19:54a Air Force squadron

19:58altogether there units that made up the 51st Fighter Interceptor wing

20:04that was in the commanding officers headquarters

20:08so he would see all the pilots and everything a lot of those

20:12pilots became astronauts in their written and senators there is no you

20:16told me that

20:16so this yeah picture of the pilots

20:19that’s a picture of all the pilots the commanding officer each wing

20:23commander and all the pilots under each of the wings

20:28home anymore the whole life with have the problem I would have to count him

20:32there

20:33there are quite a few of them and their told me that

20:36those pilots later became senator and astronauts

20:41can you tell me the names and so on

20:43well a John Glenn a was

20:47one time it was in there he was assigned to the Marine Corps

20:50find the Corsairs but he wanted to fly F86s

20:55so he got assigned to our outfit so he could fly

20:58F86s

21:02mcconnell a captain think

21:06cap your captain mcconnell a made

21:09a video mcconnell story

21:12that came out

21:15someone became test pilots

21:19colonel Kabraski was there commanding officer

21:22he was an ace and the second world war

21:26i think is shot down sixteen planes are and now

21:30he became an ace in the Korean War

21:33 anybody else

21:36a

21:41I should have brought a list with them some other names that I had intheir

21:45but the I don’t remember all

21:48the pilots names or anything I just wish that I would have kept that

21:52this

21:53I would had a very a historical

21:57piece a paper there with their names on

22:00if I had it but I do I didn’t know they were gonna become senators and

22:04astronauts and everything like that

22:15I really didn’t get to meet the pilots

22:19I seen them but I didn’t get to meet them because

22:23been and headquarters their units was

22:26over away from where we were at where they

22:30their units was to stay and everything

22:33we will see ’em go by once in a while but thats that’s about

22:36home within get the top down that much

22:42do you remember how many stories that this pilot have

22:46take home ordinary for example

22:50more than I know I i thinkI a

22:53yes I don’t know how often the

22:56the did take their shortage in everything I saw a movie on

23:00on there around operations and everything in it

23:04that mentioned how many shortages they would be taken and everything

23:08but the our commanding officer I think with credited with the

23:136 taking sown 6 fighters that he shot down

23:18and them we had one a

23:21one of our colonels was shot down

23:25and

23:28he was able to get back

23:31he was shot down over

23:38and he was able to get back on his own I have pictures of him

23:42and here colonel Shintz was his name

23:45and he’s the only 1i know that was shot down an able to get back

23:51lost a lotta weight but he lived off of bugs and

23:55worms and whatever he could get he said

23:59did you have a chance to go out of your airbase

24:03and all mingle with the Korean people

24:06no I didn’t a

24:09I say I wasn’t very adventurous person

24:13and I didn’t get off their a there was a

24:17a a young boy that would take care of for

24:21a our uniforms to get them washed and everything he were taken in town have

24:27and bring them back to us and now

24:31that’s about the only Association I did have

24:37so how often did you write back to your wife

24:40not as often as I should have probably once or twice a week

24:45I was right back on their that’s that’s about all there

24:48probably more than some of them I quess

24:53well about missing her and wishing I was home

24:57what was going on you know not work cuz

25:01doing the drawing this drawing have I’m working on this

25:05this board and going to Japan

25:08whatever I wouold see in Japan and everything

25:13yours to keep those letters

25:16no now and a half from I

25:20I they were a

25:24I did have them when I came home

25:27a we had some of them but

25:31when when the service my

25:36mother had moved from one house got her

25:39my brother got married they stayed with her for a while and then they moved to

25:44another house and she’s already got rid of my stuff but i wasnt

25:48going so I didn’t have any

25:51much when I came back

25:55 Was there enough work yes

25:58 organizational charts a for the different offices we made up

26:03I’m up

26:08I’m now for well heres one stuck in here we made these things up

26:12releases for newspapers on pilots

26:19this is all the pilots

26:22in Michigan

26:25we sent that to their newspaper a local newspaper we made

26:29releases have pictures of the kernel

26:34so they is all the pilots from Michigan

26:37was in that unit

26:39so you are actually making materials for

26:42 for newspaper territories paper

26:46yeah them now

26:49Kincheloe he on I think he became a

26:53test pilot or something up for our

26:56on do you have actual newspaper are that actually would

27:01your or published

27:04no I don’t I’m in it now because say they want the

27:08newspapers that out locations were I didn’t I don’t live in that location or

27:11 anything when I

27:13I got home

27:16I don’t know this is our commanding officer

27:21that was one of the things that were sent to his hometown

27:25and there he’s colonel Kabraski was a 51^st wing commander

27:32members and their sold in you’re awesome other

27:37I’m see

27:41I got some more in the folder here

27:44don’t think I got them all out

27:48okay we’ll consider later

27:52you are the historian chapter 312 right

27:55 what do you do as art historian

27:59overture well less told me not to bring the other books along one of mister

28:05I do this this book air this I started up on my own

28:08overall them the members and their but

28:11I have to two other books

28:15that

28:18my friend Gene and I work on

28:21and the a all the activities that goes on from the start when we first started

28:28up-to-date anything that was going on when had the monument

28:33a would build a monument got pictures from that

28:36a all the that veterans

28:40meetings that we had for

28:43I get pictures at that point we keep in their and any visitors that we have that

28:49a at our meetings I gave speeches or anything like got took pictures from

28:53and we have I have one complete book like this

28:56real thick we had to start with the second one

29:00because we’re very active

29:03outfit we got to meet do the

29:08president of Korea South Korea I got those pictures and there I got home I

29:13meant to bring my blackberry along

29:17uh we for I’ll I want to ask you to scan all those

29:23though memorabilia and and give

29:27meta data on it so for example you can write his name

29:30okay but not in the picture you can just run it back

29:34 you cannot scan it right so

29:38all I can scan on scare I was going to scan all these

29:43and give them to you right but how are you going to put the meta data on it

29:51I was gonna write on the back see like I got on the back to this who it is and

29:54and some I have a on the back in the date

29:59up right so I if you can please right goals

30:02and awarded documents and typing it

30:07number this she does that for me and and the Word document and everything she

30:11does all that typing

30:13and you want to just take that and put the nail in the bottom of it

30:17are on the back or what all it yeah

30:21maybe at the bottom but who it is and what it is and they’re

30:29this here’s a picture each 10 the squadron so we had

30:33the 16^th

30:37and now

30:43you got them

30:48this is very very well that’s the the 16th squadron

30:52this here’s the twenty-fifth squadron

30:56very good when did you leave

31:01or state when do you need to get it to go

31:07worked on all to come home yes a

31:11that was in January have 53

31:14when the assigned me to

31:19Laughlin Air Force Base in Del Rio Texas

31:22while you are staying in Suwon was there any

31:25are enemy attacks or bombing song

31:29we had one scare around Christmas

31:34of 1952

31:37a plane had strayed

31:40in into their radar and they had they sounded a

31:46air raid and they had us all to go out and

31:49and the same bag set-ups were

31:53where there was very outsider headquarters and it was right before his

31:57get couple weeks before you get ready to come home after

32:00home my that who’ve opened that they had all year

32:04nothing happened but they did find out what

32:07what happened to plane had strayed in there and they got him back where he was

32:11supposed to go

32:12so it wasn’t an enemy

32:15what many enemy fire anything so

32:20I really didn’t get in any actual thing

32:23right things going on and everything how much were you paid at the time

32:28as a draft man well

32:31I was a airman third class I had three stripes

32:35I think it was I know when we

32:39for starter was seventy-five dollars a month I think ways up to 125

32:4325 that is 125 hours a month

32:47so what do you do with that money now I

32:50well sample but no I didn’t gamble

32:53I didn’t drink and in smoke so I sent most of it home

32:57because it didn’t have any other place to spend it except the PX there

33:01and the only thing I spent a foreign a PX with buying a camera so I could take

33:05some pictures

33:06the sunset I gotta lotta slides

33:09over there and the sunset and over there was

33:13really beautiful you have I have slot

33:17slides that you have to remember that picture

33:21I have a a a gadget that diaper connected to my future

33:25and now and convert amend the pictures I wanted to be able to take ’em

33:30to the sixtieth anniversary that they had

33:33but unfortunately they had to go back home them because they were outta school

33:38and that was but them I’ll

33:42I’ve I’ve given up things up showing them some

33:45from the pictures things what the I have pictures what the capital looked like

33:50like at that time out was able to go up there

33:53in fact I was able to go up on topple the on capitol building it take pictures

33:57out over there

33:58the town there that was the only time I was a able to see

34:02any of the Korean town but a it really

34:07I’ve can I’ve got on a

34:11the computer and

34:14so that I could see what Korea looks like now

34:19from the air on

34:23the system that I have on their

34:27and is traffic place there

34:30is really a terrific a don’t know whether I’d wanna go back on one of the trips

34:37this tempting yeah I’ve never been back

34:41and I read in a book deal today that its filled up for this year

34:45people that want to go back to see

34:49work really could take care

34:52well even though you never been there up

34:55physically but you know what happened right

34:58yeah there about the Idaho or you feel about it well

35:01I didn’t know all the details a

35:06us I have video that

35:09up showed everything

35:12how they they were up they went north

35:17and then they were all forced back and they destroyed all the buildings on our

35:20way back

35:21a are are soldiers did their thing for a simple reason:

35:26they didn’t want anybody to hide in these buildings and shoot at them

35:31so most the buildings they destroyed

35:34and their and maybe

35:37in a way it’s it’s a good thing because what came out over it now

35:41this has really great the buildings that they have and now

35:45has learned that again really didn’t get to see that much

35:50the the land itself

35:55well now we are the 12^th largest economy in the world that all that is correct

36:00most vibrant democracy in East Asia

36:03this shows you what you if you put your mind to it

36:06work on it and do the right thing

36:10so what do you think that is the legacy of the Korean War and veterans

36:14well

36:17I think they’re gonna see what came out of there

36:21labor’s and everything the results of it

36:25what could take place and everything

36:28I’ll to get things back on track the way they should be

36:32and to help other people out

36:36so its has been

36:40great to see what the results are and i’m glad to see that my son

36:44has been able to have someone that children over there coming over here

36:48to go on a school in everything and I’m amazed at their

36:52talent this one girl she can saying she can dance she can artist

36:59she does everything she plays the piano in the church

37:02she’s in the choir there and

37:06a just met a

37:09I forget what her name is in our church as the South Korean young lady

37:15that is in charge at the youth and their

37:18church that her husband is a preacher

37:22a in a town close by here

37:25and she gave a talk at our meeting and everything

37:28and what she did she’s the only one that came there to speak speak

37:31and she fixed food put forth for

37:35to eat Why do you think the Korean War has been forgotten

37:42Why forgotten

37:53 People just wasn’t sure what was going on over there

37:56what would have happened to the people with if the communists would have taken

37:59over and

38:01control them and I don’t think that they would be the can have the kind of

38:05country it is right now if they did

38:07course you got a good example in the north the way it is its

38:11its controlled and when you control

38:15people you don’t get

38:19that’s why you don’t know if they agree on worries forgotten

38:24yes they they just don’t know what what happens if the

38:28communist takeover and

38:32start dictating what to do and what not to do

38:35and they’d they just don’t get developed like they are right now

38:39because ur they’re held back

38:42on on what what they’re able to do

38:46but why people wants to

38:49to forget the Korean War as

38:55sort unknown I guess there why they wanna forget

38:58maybe they don’t want to they just don’t want to remember

39:02what goes on but it does

39:05and now we the ones I was over it

39:09remembers what was on

39:12something good came out of Korean War and their sacrifices

39:19so strong economy and democracy in

39:23Korea came good right yes very good

39:26their very good and they’re and ask what could happen

39:30all the places that that they have conflicts in

39:34if they just set your mind to it and don’t fight each other

39:38well unfortunately there are not many good examples

39:41the miserable wars Korea

39:45is a good example so I want to

39:48thank all the veterans for their fights & service

39:52otherwise we are who we are right now

39:57That is correct

40:00a proud what they did

40:03and we’re glad that they did help out and their I know I was not

40:08a soldier that got into battle on everything

40:11but I know it what little bit I did

40:15was help

40:18am I’m glad I got to see the country over there

40:23I have never known Korea is if never did

40:30 I’ll understand

40:34that the air base that was there is moved over

40:38and its ultra-modern now like to say I got it on

40:42I don’t know if Google air whichever one it is about bring up

40:46and I can see all over Korea what what is there in what’s been done

40:51that there was an the time believable what does not seem

40:55and that their the roads and everything outside of Suwon was nothing but

41:00dirt

41:01a huts and um

41:04people was just, it amazed me that they could take

41:09some of the war materials like the shells

41:13and everything and made things out of them

41:17I they made stuff out of that stuff and everything

41:21that a metal um because I don’t know I have one

41:32you know the model no yes yeah of

41:35how the wire

41:39I don’t know if they brought on my brotha the one that they gave us at the

41:4260th anniversary

41:44I i kno okay I got for of them these

41:47ever and the people understand wanna go over there

41:51the they just trying to do everything it possibly can for

41:55their appreciation is outstanding

41:58everybody that’s been over there and came back said

42:01that they couldn’t believe it they couldn’t believe how nice that people

42:04are

42:06I know these two young ladies at my son has their

42:09they’re very nice

42:12they tried to do the best the can and everything like getting a speak English

42:16better than I do

42:17that there but there

42:22well and yeah I guess one or him

42:25no I get I guess that’s that’s about it and

42:29and their and now I hope that I give me a

42:32right information she worked for a bookbinding place

42:36that did work like the book that’s how why it was

42:40so put together so nicely

42:43cause she knows what to do what’s your name

42:50Gene Eckstein

42:54Ive been working with Clayton and helping out since the

42:58 chapters started I was able to take my

43:02a two sons

43:05with me to the sixtieth anniversary and that they had

43:09down at the memorial and he did have

43:12 his granddaughter my granddaughter with them

43:17I thought maybe my son’s

43:20would try tried to familiarize them

43:24with what I did when I was growing up and was in the service

43:30because imagine a lotta children don’t know what their parents

43:34really went through

43:37a big lead us check and see if I can have that

43:41that because any anything it that comes up like that and they can

43:45they’re not in school they were able to go around the school

43:49unfortunately um they won’t have the

43:52two Korean students with them when they go

43:57i’m my my son takes them

44:01every where’s they they are really learn about everything over here

44:06and he takes them you know we’re disney world is

44:09he takes them down there everything he has a timeshare unit down there

44:13they go down there and stay

44:15and there’s

44:18thank you very much again okay on the thank you